Poll: No winner in final leaders' debate

Piece of papers missing pass to you Sam. And I think this is the first part. This is a very exciting moment. Tell us so we we've took, we've done the analysis. This is a big moment. There is a decisive decision by by people taking part in this poll. We have Rishi Sunak, 50% think he's the winner. Keir Starmer, 50% think he's the winner. So it's absolutely evenly split. You can see there on the screens the number absolutely evenly split. We now we've got Patrick English from you guys, Patrick English from you, English from you Gov is neck and neck. Tell us a bit about this poll. Yes. So the what we've done is we've, so we've polled the 1700 debate watches and they've told us tonight, as Sam has said, that they think that the two men were completely even 50% for Richard Sunak, 50% for Keir Starmer. And the really interesting thing here is that of course, that is a, a reversal, a revert to type really from the first debate where we saw again, a very split decision among the debate watching public. Keir Starmer won the second debate. But now we've gone back to that head to head format and we can see that the two men are neck and neck again. But underlying this number is a very interesting crossbreak. Among Conservative 2019 voters who watched this debate, 18% said that Keir Starmer won 18%. OK, that's an interesting topic. Also, is this, given that most people, according to the polls, are going to vote Labour than Conservative, is it a win for Rishi Sunat that it's 50% Think certainly he will be pleased with that, yes. And certainly looking at the last debate where Keir Starmer won that quite handsomely, this is an improvement and Rishi Sunat will be quite pleased with this result. He came not fighting, he came up with a lot of attack lines with some very clear messages. And it seems that that has improved his position at least from the last debate. But again, we're looking here at the party that is behind in the polls, MRP polling, suggesting they could be reduced anything to around 100 seats. Was this a knockout blow to turn that around? I'm not sure, but of course, we'll have to wait and see with the polls later. Sam, is this a knockout blow? Well, that's the point, isn't it? Given the state of this race, given the Labour Party at 20 points ahead in almost every polls, including all the ones that that Patrick has done for for Sky News, really the public needed to overwhelmingly endorse Rishi Sunak as the victor in this debate to have any chance, any chance at all of changing the state of this race. So I think from the highs and the fist pump of the Tory spin doctor, pleased with clearly pleased with what Rishi Sunak did in today's debate, I think there will be disappointment in the Tory ranks that they didn't even nudge a win in the polling. And it's neck and neck and neck and neck polling. I have to say Ali doesn't feel to me that it's going to change the race. Patrick, do you think 5050 is going to change anything in the headline figures? I wouldn't say so. No, I don't think so. It's not a number which screams a big victory for the Sunak, as he said, and he needed to score one tonight. He needs a campaign changing moment. I don't think that this was it. And again, I'd say still that significant number of those who voted Conservative in 2019 say that Starmer won.