Lawrence: New Trump docs transcripts reveal lies detailed in case's indictment

Well, today Donald Trump’s favorite judge, who was of course appointed by Donald Trump, Judge Aileen Mercedes Cannon federal judge in Florida, released the transcript of Donald Trump’s Co defendant Walton out his testimony to the grand jury, which took place months before the FBI executed a search warrant at Donald Trump’s Florida club. The grand jury testimony differs significantly from what Walt Nowda had already told. The FBI. Count 39 of the indictment charges Walt Nowda with making false statements to the FBI in his voluntary interview with the FBI a month before his grand jury testimony. This is one of the lies Walt Nowda is accused of telling the FBI. In that interview question, does any Are you aware of any boxes being brought to his home? His suite answer no. The indictment says that that one word no, was a lie and a crime. In his interview with the FBI, Walt Nada told them that the first time he ever saw the boxes at the Florida club was when he was helping to move about 15 of the boxes onto a truck to send them back to the government question. All right, so. So to the best of your knowledge, you’re saying that those boxes that you brought onto the truck, first time you ever laid eyes on them was just the day when Trump employee two needed you to answer correct, help him with the boxes. The indictment says that that word correct was a lie. Then the FBI asked Walt now to this more general question Question. Do you have any information that could that would, that could help us understand like where they were kept how they were kept were they secured were they locked something that makes the intelligence community feel better about these things. You know answer I wish, I wish I could tell you. I don’t know. I don’t. I honestly just don’t know. The indictment says that answer was a lie, and a month later, Walt Walt Nowder’s testimony to the grand jury also in effect says that his interview with the FBI was a lie. Walt Nowda admitted underoath to the grand jury that he moved boxes before he helped move the boxes to be sent back to the government question. You’ve taken multiple boxes since January 2022 to the president’s private residence. Answer correct. That is what Walt Nowda underoath. That’s him directly contradicting what Walt Nowda told the FBI a month earlier. Another question in the grand jury question. It’s your testimony before the grand jury today that in fact you moved boxes up from the basement to Pine Hall. Right? Answer weeks prior? Yes. That underoath answer is again a direct contradiction to what Walt Nowda said in his interview with the FBI at the end of his grand jury testimony. The grand jurors had some good questions. Grand juror? Was Pine Hall a skiff witness? No. It’s a very important question, Important point to establish. Get on the record that the room called Pine Hall, where many of the boxes were, was not a secure location? Another grand juror asked. Before, you said that some of that you did not know what was in any of the boxes, but some of them were labeled. So I guess what I’m confused about is how is it that only the specific boxes with label pens are labeled, but none of the others were? Walt Nada did not give an answer that made any sense, and it remained a mystery how he knew what boxes to bring upstairs to the boss when the boss asked for boxes. And so another grand juror picked up on that point grand juror. So you’re instructed to take some of these boxes up to Pine Hall. Yes. Witness. Correct. Grand juror. But you’re not instructed to take any particular boxes. Witness. Correct. Grand juror. You just pick some off of the top. Witness. Yes, grand juror. So you don’t know what the contents of the boxes you’re taking. Witness. I do not. Walt. Not his credibility as a witness in his own defense. Underoath during trial if he takes the witness stand, appears now to be a major challenge for him. Another document released by Judge Cannon last week shows that Walt now to promised a pardon was promised a pardon for lying to the FBI according to Person 16 in a heavily redacted 10 page FBI report of an interview with the witness identified as Person 16. In this heavily redacted FBI report, Donald Trump is referred to as F POTUS meaning former President of the United States. The document says Person 16 has not spoken to NOW to since the White House and did not know him. Now to was told by F POTUS people that his investigation was not going anywhere, that it was politically motivated and Much Ado about nothing. Now TO was also told that even if he gets charged with lying to the FBI, F POTUS will pardon him in 2024. Now this still speaks to person 34. Person 16 is clearly someone who worked in the Trump White House and told the FBI of the great quote risk for him in the Trump world because he was secretly doing a voluntary interview with the FBI. The entire second page of the report is redacted. Most of the names of the people in the report are redacted. In addition to person 16, there is Person fourteen, Person 34, person 37, person 38, Person 47, and so on, the report says. While at the White House, Person 16 was generally aware through conversation with Person fourteen, Person 34, Person 37 and the redacted was that the redacted was not getting records backed. There was no process for F POTUS to designate records as personal records. F POTUS routinely took documents from the Oval Office to the residence. Person 16 was not aware of F POTUS declassifying any records other than the Crossfire Hurricane documents. According to person 16, there was no standing declassification order. Person 16 believes no one in the White House would testify that there was such an order, with the exception of possibly Person 24. Person 24 was unhinged and crazy. Person 16 recalled the Kim Jong Un letters, the Obama letter and the hurricane map being specific records that the National Archives and Records Administration was missing at some point. Person 16 learned that F POTUS had not returned them and multiple people tried to convince F POTUS to return the records in late October, early no vote. November 2021 Person 16 made his own appeal to F POTUS. Person 16 was on a conference call with F POTUS told F POTUS. Whatever you have, give it all back. F POTUS wanted to know how anyone knew about the issue. F POTUS was informed. It was all documented in writing. The response was essentially we’ll check and think about it. Person 16 spoke multiple, spoke to multiple people around F POTUS to send the message that he needed to give the stuff back, that it belonged to the US government and was not worth all the aggravation. On 21 November 2021, Person 16 visited F POTUS and Mar Largo. F POTUS was dressed in golf attire. Person 16 told him whatever you have, give everything back. Let them come here and get everything. Don’t give them a noble reason to in doubt, indict you, because they will. Person 16 walked away from the 15 minute meeting with the impression that F POTUS was going to return the records to the National Archives and Records Administration. Not once during any of these discussions did F POTUS or anyone else say these records had been designated as personal records or had been declassified by F POTUS.