Peers debate illegal migration

I’m longing to hear some decent, sensible plan from, for instance, health or the Labour front bench or anybody else, how we deal with illegal migration. And I’m afraid Alf and others would not deal with illegal migration at all. They’d rather have open borders. Now there’s a big, big issue about migration in general, as we know. But what are we? What are we to do? The government is making an effort, a real effort, to send people home who have come here illegally against the law, and yet it is obstructed by the House of Lords. My colleagues, and particularly by the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrat Party, and I’m afraid either we say we have open borders which some people would wish to have always say we only admit people legally. There’s no question about the Labour Party does not believe in open borders. I don’t. Then what do they believe in Ours. I believe in a proper, a proper range method. I believe in a joint joint activity with the French to catch the traffickers, I believe. What? What we’ve tried, it’s working with Belgium. Why shouldn’t work with France? The agreement of Belgium seem to work better. You know, and and and and and it’s, it’s almost insoluble problem. I agree it’s very, very difficult. But I don’t think this is the way to go forward. I think we do have to protect the human, the human rights of individuals. But we also have to say, I have to say to people that we’re going to catch the traffickers, we’re going to stop this crossing, the crossing the channel by boat. And we’re going to have a proper way in which people who are entitled, particularly for family reunion, to come to this country. That’s not an open border, that’s a proper managed system. But these people are coming here illegally against the law and you are, you and your colleagues are trying to stop the government doing something about it. And this is not a new problem. It’s been going on for years and we’re trying very hard to do something about it. So what we’re what we’re saying, what we’re saying is that as a country, we’ve always respected the rule of law, we’ve respected our courts. We’ve never said we’re going to pass legislation to ignore the courts, to ignore our international obligations as a country. We have some integrity in the world what we used to have. Why are we sort of blessing it aside that if it didn’t matter anymore? But as a as a country, obviously we’re ghastly because all these people want to come here. Now look, of course you would want to come here if you were living in where it may be Nigeria to the to this marvellous country of ours. But we have the right and parliament has the right because it’s sovereign to determine who is allowed in and we are trying to send people back or send it to Rwanda because they’re not allowed in, they come illegally. And when people break the law, surely you too should be thinking, well if people break the law they shouldn’t be here.